Why are coffee stains darker at the edges?

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99 points | by michalpleban 2 days ago ago

37 comments

  • croemer 6 hours ago ago

    What the article doesn't emphasize enough: Pinning of the contact line is crucial (e.g. due to surface roughness), otherwise the ring would not be as pronounced. Due to higher curvature, evaporation is faster at the edges, causing the non-evaporating solids to flow to the edge leading to more of them there in the end when everything has dried up. But on a smooth surface, droplets just shrink. When they don't, you get the ring stain.

    Relevant: https://www.nature.com/articles/nature10344

    • mseri 6 hours ago ago

      It is a bit annoying that the article does not link any relevant research. There is a wikipedia page on the topic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_ring_effect), but afaik it is an interesting problem in many different contexts, for example in inkjet printing (one can find plenty of articles there as well).

      • croemer 4 hours ago ago

        Indeed, article appears to be old encyclopedia style, no citations, oversimplified.

  • logic_node 4 hours ago ago

    It's because as the coffee dries, the liquid gets pulled to the rim, leaving all the coffee gunk behind in a ring. Turns out, this same trick helps make better inks and paints too!

    • hydrogen7800 3 hours ago ago

      I once noticed on a neighbor's garbage can, which had their house number spray painted on it, that the paint had mostly flaked off except around the edge of the numbers which was adhered better. The paint would have been thinner from the spray application.

  • nthingtohide 4 hours ago ago

    I think this was explained in a documentary by Discovery Channel some 20 years ago. I remember it vividly. One application of this was to use this process to manufacture very thin wires by deposition of atoms.

  • nashashmi 5 hours ago ago

    Evaporation is more at the edge. More of the water makes its way to the edge. The water carries more color to the edge. So that is why the ring of coffee color is formed.

    But why is the water making its way to the edge all the time?

    • gibagger 5 hours ago ago

      Diffusion, more specifically capillary flow I think. Water will flow from the saturated to the unsaturated areas.

    • michalpleban 5 hours ago ago

      Because it evaporates [mostly] from the edge, so new water flows there to make up for it.

    • Fnoord 5 hours ago ago

      My guess would be: because there is more space in the outer ring than the inner ring.

    • marcusverus 4 hours ago ago

      Gravity / water pressure. Consider an overly simplified case[0]: A molecule "disappears" from the edge, leaving a cavity (blue circle). Waiting to flow into the cavity are two molecules, one on the inner side (red) and another on the outer side (purple) of the cavity. Molecule on the inner side is being "pushed" into the cavity by a much larger "body" of water (pink) than is the molecule on the outer side (light purple). So even though both molecules will move into the cavity, the inner molecule will move farther. Repeat a few quintillion times, and you've got directional flow from the middle to the edge.

      [0]https://i.imgur.com/mVOiwxH.png

  • rdtsc 25 minutes ago ago

    And of course, if you use LaTeX, and need coffee stains on your paper there is a package for it:

    https://ctan.math.illinois.edu/graphics/pgf/contrib/coffeest...

  • Skunkleton an hour ago ago

    Is this completely correct? Coffee isn’t homogeneous. There are particulates and oils that will separate out. Anything pushed to the top will also move towards the edge given the shape of the droplet. There is also capillary action to consider. Seems like there should be more than one effect that leads to the edges of the stain being darker.

  • rolph 2 days ago ago

    [supplementary]

    Radial chromatography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radial_chromatography

    when liquid phase is applied to impermeable solid, i.e. glass sheet.

    you have solid phase "radial" chromatography.

    • jampekka 7 hours ago ago

      This is not the same phenomenon though? Chromatography is based on different adsorption affinity of the different molecules of the liquid to the stationary phase.

      • rolph an hour ago ago

        oh it very much is!

  • ape4 6 hours ago ago

    At first I thought this website would be pages with title "Why is..." but the .is is Iceland's TLD ;)

  • vlan0 6 hours ago ago

    Hmm not just coffee stains too. If you've ever had a water leak on gypsum board, the edges of the water ring are darker.

  • neogodless 6 hours ago ago

    This has been a little mystery for me when I don't immediately dispose of my pour over coffee filters. Similarly they end up quite dark at the edge.

    But as per the article, that's where most of the evaporation happens, and more of the color is left behind there.

  • Kaibeezy 5 hours ago ago

    This is the same reason suburban sprawl continues to grow despite the reduced density at the edge. There’s a premium for a perception of being mostly surrounded by open space, out past all the other housing developments and strip malls that are a back towards the city. It creates a bump of economic gradient at the frontier.

    • harrall an hour ago ago

      People buy at the frontier because they can afford the housing there, even at the severe loss of amenities.

      Especially if the next 20+ years of their life is going to be driving their kids to sports games anyway.

    • filcuk 5 hours ago ago

      I feel like that's completely unrelated.

      • ForOldHack 3 hours ago ago

        Exhibits the same behaviour.

        • IAmBroom 3 minutes ago ago

          Coincidentally, ergo unrelatedly.

    • noboostforyou 2 hours ago ago

      > There’s a premium for a perception of being mostly surrounded by open space

      Maybe? In urban areas the opposite is true - rent goes up the closer you are to a major subway station

      https://www.renthop.com/research/nyc-mta-subway-rent-map-202...

  • Apocryphon 3 hours ago ago

    Serendipitously enough, I just started skimming this book of factoids I got from Five Below, and three questions in this phenomenon is addressed:

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Do_Geese_Get_Goose_Bump...

  • thisismyswamp 5 hours ago ago

    fluid pressure pushes particles outwards

  • bloqs 5 hours ago ago

    Because of neurodivergence causing their perception

  • rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 6 hours ago ago

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