Conbini Wars – Map of Japanese convenience store ratios

(conbini.kikkia.dev)

116 points | by zdw 6 days ago ago

44 comments

  • troyvit 4 minutes ago ago

    Ahhh man it'd be so cool to see this for Thailand! My kids live there with their mom and one of the things that surprised them is the overall dominance of 7-Elevens there. They'll be several on the same block. I wonder if it's like that all over Thailand or only where they live?

  • mstngl 7 hours ago ago

    Often, several stores belonging to the same chain are located in close proximity to each other so that goods can be distributed more cheaply and frequently. This strategy is known as dominant policy (ドミナント政策, dominanto seisaku).[1]

    [1] https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%89%E3%83%9F%E3%83%8A%E3...

    • arghwhat 4 hours ago ago

      I can't help but giggle slightly at the effort put into presenting not just the term, but also both the japanese and japanese-romanized forms, considering that it's just an entirely literal translation of a basic business strategy. Reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvNxgHTWIlo.

    • hyfgfh 7 hours ago ago

      Seizon Senryaku!

  • netsharc 7 hours ago ago

    These Japanese YouTubers decided to play a game, they got off a station earlier than their home and to walk home from there, but whenever they pass a Conbini they'd have to pick 6 items and roll a dice and buy that item from the 6. There's a lot of stores...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yT32QAyv6s

    • curiousgal 7 hours ago ago

      I'm sorry but that video is literally unwatchable! What in the world is happening with the audio/subtitles?

      • anonymous908213 7 hours ago ago

        Youtube ruins videos with godawful AI-generated autodubbing if it detects a video in a language that differs from your locale. You can access the original audio from the settings cog.

        • netsharc 5 hours ago ago

          It doesn't even respect the locale of the user interface, but uses IP geolocation and sends you HTML containing the video titles in the language it "knows" you want... And there is no setting to change this.

          • andy99 5 hours ago ago

            Big tech has changed over the last bit to trying to tell us exactly what and how we should think - or maybe more precisely to see thought as “friction” and want to remove it all together. This is a very minor example in the scheme of things, but I see it everywhere now.

            • shalmanese 5 hours ago ago

              Not really, reliably detecting a user's preferred languages has been a persistent Hard Problem in tech since the start of the internet. Every proposed alternative solution ends up having vastly more false positives due to browsers/people incorrectly setting of default preferences so companies begrudgingly default to geographic heuristics knowing it is a terrible experience for an outlier group of people.

              • deaux 3 hours ago ago

                Yet this implementation that Youtube uses is in the bottom 1% of worst ones. Strange how roughly every other website/app does a better job at it.

              • andy99 4 hours ago ago

                Why wouldn’t you just ask them, and particularly for media like this that has a native language, default to that? I don’t want software to think for me about what I want to see, if I want something different I’ll change it.

                • shalmanese 3 hours ago ago

                  You're going down the first question of a deep rabbithole that eventually lands you to where every major tech company has landed.

                  • deaux 3 hours ago ago

                    Got it, "maximizing ad revenue " it is.

        • anal_reactor 6 hours ago ago

          YouTube is literally unusable without browser extensions or a third-party app

        • AniseAbyss 4 hours ago ago

          I learned English when I was a child because all the media I wanted to consume were not translated into Dutch.

          Makes you wonder if universal translators ever become the norm people will still bother to learn foreign language.

  • autarch 4 hours ago ago

    I'd love to see this for Taiwan. I'm here now (on my Nth trip where N >= 11), and my impression is that 7-11 is the clear winner in all the cities I've been to, followed by Family Mart and then some stragglers like Hilife and OK Mart (it's ok).

    My personal favorite is probably Family Mart, because they have multiple very delicious vegan rice balls to choose from.

  • Intermernet 6 hours ago ago

    This is great, but it doesn't differentiate between "Natural Lawson" and "Lawson", which my partner and I have dubbed "Unnatural Lawson".

    • notpushkin 2 hours ago ago

      Man-made Lawsons beyond my comprehension!

      I don’t think it would be fair to differentiate it though. The point of the map is to show popularity / reach of each of the bigger brands.

  • wodenokoto 7 hours ago ago

    What’s the source for combini locations?

    I’ve actually been interested in that data for a back burner project for some years now.

  • tokioyoyo 7 hours ago ago

    Pretty cool stuff! Side note, it’s always fun to see Japan-related content getting to the front page around this time, as the people in NA are asleep. Would be curious to see HN userbase %s by continents.

    • wongarsu 4 hours ago ago

      This gets asked from time to time. It's somewhere in the realm of 45% NA, 35% Europe, and the remaining 20% relatively evenly split between Australia/Oceania, India, Asia (excluding India) and SA. Japan makes up around 1-2%

  • carlob 8 hours ago ago

    I would really like to know some stats about the Voronoi cells, like average size, largest and smallest...

    • froh 4 hours ago ago

      yes! and population numbers!

  • criddell 6 hours ago ago

    In the US, 7-11 has started selling Japanese style egg salad sandwiches. I haven’t been brave enough to try one yet.

    https://www.7-eleven.com/products/fresh-chilled/egg-salad

    • n4r9 5 hours ago ago

      What makes this "Japanese style"? Is it the mayo and the sweetened bread?

      • criddell 5 hours ago ago

        I just meant that they are supposed to be very close to the sandwiches they are well known for in Japan.

  • computerfriend 8 hours ago ago

    Here's a similar analysis for Hong Kong: https://khwongk12.medium.com/7-eleven-vs-circle-k-5964b8f008....

  • tramtrist 8 hours ago ago

    I live in Japan. This is great! Though with all the overlay it’s hard to pinpoint my neighborhood. A gps loc button or the ability to temporarily turn off the colors would help! Thank you for making such a fun thing :)

    • ximeng 6 hours ago ago

      Yes - hard to see e.g. city labels on the map under all the pie charts.

  • kuon 7 hours ago ago

    This is fun, but I would separate specialized outlets. For example Lawson and Lawson 100 are not the same.

  • signorovitch 5 hours ago ago

    I wonder if this information would be a useful addition to a geoguessr player’s toolbox.

  • k__ 7 hours ago ago

    A few years ago, I was in Wroclaw and it was full of convenience stores.

    Where I stayed, you could go to a store and from there see the next one already.

  • tjpnz 8 hours ago ago

    Nice concept but struggled to find my area. Short of search or using my location it would be nice to have a line overlay (lines which go underground are obscured currently).

  • iqihs 8 hours ago ago

    very cool, would be interested to see this approach applied to other markets

  • jansan 8 hours ago ago

    It took quite a while for the overlay to appear. Be patient if you want to see the data.

  • istinetz 8 hours ago ago

    this is very cool! I love how responsive the interface is.

  • ekianjo 6 hours ago ago

    There's a lot more than these 6 brands. You have New Days, Daily Yamazaki, and the competition of mini markets as well such as My basket...

    • exhumet 5 hours ago ago

      Went to japan for a few weeks last year, never saw anyone in the states who went talk about Daily, saw a few and popped in and was surprised by all the breads! pretty dang tasty

  • quanloh 9 hours ago ago

    There was no war until a map was presented lol

    • arghwhat 9 hours ago ago

      It's just a name, but those franschises would likely consider it a real fight for prime real estate and customer base, each aiming to overtake the others.

  • hyfgfh 7 hours ago ago

    Sorry but this seems like vibe coded slop

    You cant search or change language

    Idk what is the goal here, but maybe some analysis with graph would be better, like who has the most territory or something like that? You also might need to disclosure how you got this data