More sustainable epoxy thanks to phosphorus

(empa.ch)

37 points | by JeanKage 4 days ago ago

11 comments

  • rectang an hour ago ago

    There are two recycling mechanisms:

    > After use, the material can simply be ground into powder and pressed into a new shape while heated, causing the bonds to rearrange themselves. This is known as thermomechanical recycling.

    > it can also be chemically dissolved

    I wonder whether either of these opens up any practical durability issues for this variety of epoxy.

  • ComputerGuru an hour ago ago

    This is a presser (disguised as a science piece) from the company making the product; take it all with a grain of salt.

    Also, epoxy already contains harmful endocrine disruptors, adding forever chemicals like those found in almost all flame retardants is just adding fuel to the fire (pun not intended).

  • zahlman 18 minutes ago ago

    It appears we got a relevant XKCD just in time: https://xkcd.com/3194/

  • rectang an hour ago ago

    OT: It's difficult for me with my imperfect vision to read this web page because of inadequate contrast between body-text and background. Firefox dev tools measures a 3.52 contrast ratio — WCAG guidelines recommend 7:1 (AAA rating) or 4.5:1 (AA rating). However, viewing the page in reader mode seems to work as a solution.

  • HardCodedBias an hour ago ago

    when I hear of industrial uses of phosphorus my ears prick up since phosphorus is a key limiting factor for life.

    A world where this actually became industrially very successful combined with a lack of recycling could potentially add large new sink for phosphorus.

    In general, be careful when creating a process which locks meaningful amount of phosphorus out of the biosphere.

    • s0rce 39 minutes ago ago

      I can't imagine this approaches how much is used in agriculture for fertilizer.

    • Brian_K_White an hour ago ago

      I think that was a core plot point of a series of books by Niven I think. Humans are on a planet that has almost no phosphorus or maybe potassium in it's biosphere. Humans have to take it artificially by sprinkling a special salt on every meal. But it's very limited and expensive and so a significant part of the population are mentally handicapped to lesser or greater degrees, generation after generaion.

      Ah, Destiny's Road, and it was Potassium.

      "...dooming humanity to a slow mental extinction."

      Great.

    • pfdietz an hour ago ago

      When a general study was made back in the 1970s of the limits of substitutability and recyclability of mineral resources, it was found phosphorus likely dictates the minimum amount of mining needed in steady state. It occurs at an average concentration of about 0.1% in the continental crust.

      I worry just a bit about this in reference to LFP batteries.

  • pfdietz 2 hours ago ago

    This looks like recycling fetishism. It's perfectly fine to burn such materials, if they were obtained from non-fossil sources to start with, so there would be no net CO2 addition to the atmosphere.

    • westurner 2 hours ago ago

      An adjacent design validation question on a green chip factory and product design:

      Will Phytic acid in Lignin-Vitrimer encase burning CNT carbon nanotubes in a phosphorous char cage, this preventing health hazards and combustion?

      This says "phosphorous epoxy".

      FR4 silicon PCBs are N-doped and P-doped.